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Aram Sargsyan: “Nobody will manage to tear off Armenia from the union with Russia!”

The leader of Democratic Party of Armenia Aram Sargsyan was in due time the adviser of the president of the republic for foreign policy questions. He perfectly knows this perspective about which told to our portal. Conversation, naturally, began with a subject of Nagorno-Karabakh:

- Our party has created “Organizing committee in protection of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic” in due time. We united representatives of 25 public and political organizations, held meetings and pickets. In the fall of 1997 president Levon Ter -Petrosyan offered the so-called new concept of settlement of a situation. Its essence was that Nagorno-Karabakh in any case remains as a part of Azerbaijan therefore efforts should be bent on granting the widest autonomy to it. It is natural that our society disagreed with it.

Ter-Petrosyan began to explain us that national ideology is relative concept. Here so he thought … He tried to convince people of the correctness, wrote even the article “War or peace”. It turned out that if we want to live in peace, we have to offer up the honour of our people who a lawful way wanted to gain independence and live out of structure of Azerbaijan.

Then our Organizing committee called big collecting in “Cinema house” in which all colour of the intellectuals participated, as they say. And this meeting has a great impact on a course of events – as a result the president had to leave.

I can tell now that it was we who prepared the soil for his leaving. And who from his followers protected the president?! For some reason nobody even uttered a teardrop when he left.

- The years passed since that moment about which you told. What is the position of Armenia now?

- Let's begin with that in Armenia there was always a united position. In what there was a mistake of all three authorities? That they didn't create the official doctrine on this matter. The official position of Armenia on Nagorno-Karabakh wasn't stated. And our party speaks 20 years about it! And not only speaks – we created the corresponding concept. I personally represented it in the parliament.

After all what is a question?! Azerbaijan speaks about the territorial integrity but all the matter is that the Armenians just didn't break it! I will remind that Nagorno-Karabakh was the autonomous region as a part of the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic. But on April 3, 1990 the Law on an exit order from the USSR was published – it allowed not only to autonomous republics and areas, but even to compactly living people who don't have the status, by a referendum to leave structure of that republic which left the structure of the USSR.

- Such referendum after all passed in Nagorno-Karabakh …

It is exactly so. Nagorno-Karabakh left structure of Azerbaijan after Azerbaijan declared that leaves the structure of the USSR and isn't the assignee of the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic. It was at the end of August, 1991. And at the beginning of September the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Republic used the legitimate right! And in 10 days prior to the actual disorder of the USSR Nagorno-Karabakh held a referendum with the international observers and officially left structure of the USSR – besides according to the law! So the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic appeared. Everything was done perfectly from the legal point of view.

- Didn't try to discuss a situation?


- At the initiative of Russia and the USA we carried on negotiations with representatives of the public of Azerbaijan in Snegiri situated near Moscow for six years. Two times a year we gathered, discussed and as a result formulated the framework agreement. It was succeeded to persuade to agree the Azerbaijani party but when its representatives returned to Baku, they were simply declared as traitors … The structure of delegation changed and new participants declared that they don't accept the document.

About what it speaks? That they are afraid of legal resolution of conflict! And if Azerbaijan says that it is necessary to follow the norms and the principles of international law, so we are ready. But does Azerbaijan ready to it not in words, but in practice?

- The situation recently became aggravated more than once. With what is it connected?


- It is necessary to say, it was easier at the time of Heydar Aliyev. It was possible to talk to him. Robert Kocharyan carried on negotiations with him which were close to success. Azerbaijan according to this arrangement was ready to recognize the right of Nagorno-Karabakh to independence, but when Aliyev returned from America to Baku, he was, to put it mildly, “dissuaded” …

And at the time of Ilham Aliyev everything got worse. This person calling himself as the national leader, heroized the murderer who cut the sleeping Armenian officer by an axe! Ara Abramyan was right who declared that thereby Aliyev granted the right to any Azerbaijanian to kill any Armenian.

This aggressive rhetoric is absurd as all Armenian people are called as the enemy. There already reached that extent of history falsification that speaks as if Armenia is created on “ancient” Azerbaijani lands. As they speak, be afraid of God! About what ancient “Azerbaijan” there is a speech? It is the time to decide on the ethnogeny already: who are you? Ancient Albanians, Turkic people or any Azerbaijanians?! Explain to the world and we will talk then! And now they say that is favourable at present and all educated world laughs at them. They don’t look for own history, but build it on denial of history of Armenians. At such inadequate behaviour it is difficult to carry on any negotiations …

- But war is terrible matter. And here it is well remembered …


- Ilham Aliyev at the expense of oil came into the most enormous fortune. Naturally, he wouldn't like to lose it as well as the power. That is, it is necessary to think one thousand times before speaking about war. Besides “British Petroleum” makes claims – the relations with the largest companies spoil which own the property here. Therefore irrespective of, how many Azerbaijan saved up the weapon, Ilham Aliyev perfectly understands the one thing: he will lose everything – both wealth and the power because the main ally of Armenia is Russia.

Defence capability of Armenia and Artsakh is at the highest level. Also it is one of the most important factors explaining why Aliyev doesn't begin war despite all his aggressive rhetoric.

- That is, the pragmatic calculation demonstrates everything.


- The former ambassador of the USA in Azerbaijan, the former co-chairman of the Minsk OSCE group asked Aliyev about why he constantly tells about the war: is he going, really, to be at war? Ilham Aliyev answered in the sense that he is not the fool in order to start the war as because of it all Armenians will unite and it will be bad to Azerbaijan. But why it is necessary to speak about it daily? Here is the answer: it is necessary to force Armenia to remain in the course of race of arms; they will weaken and we will drive then to Yerevan on a white horse …

If there is such a plan of mister Aliyev, so I can tell that we still didn't show a combination with middle finger to him yet. We see all, understand everything and will pass through any tests.

And I want to tell about one more thing. While the Americans won't give guarantees to Aliyev, he won't get into war. It means that the present status quo will remain. But what we are afraid, so it is the negative development of a situation in the Middle East and round the nuclear program of Iran.

- But why?

- If Syria falls, if Russia and China doesn't manage to hold a situation, the potential of destabilization will move to our region! Now there is the intensity in the relations of Turkey and Israel, but it is necessary to look more deeply. The matter is not about any centres and masons – it is a question of multinational corporations which dictate a course of events. Armenia is the ally of Russia, so it should be torn off from this union. If Armenia changes the foreign policy orientation then also the Caucasus can try to torn off Russia! After all while Armenia together with Russia, nobody can make it.

Our headache is Iran. Armenia never will go on providing the territory for attack to Iran. Here there is nothing even to speak! It means, there is Azerbaijan as the base. Israel already owns the right to use airfields and military facilities there. The blow can be struck from there! And the conversations about the problems in the relations of Israel and Azerbaijan are no more than conversations. In policy it is very important to misinform the opponents - it occurs here. Especially as Azerbaijan bought and buys the Israeli modern arms for billion dollars.

Processes in the region now go so chaotically that it is impossible to foresee a course of events. If suddenly there is a new revolution in Cairo and the repeated waves will be on all Arab East, so it is not known what new configuration of the region will be. One of scenarios, the Arab countries will seek for association – it means, it would be hard to Israel.

- What value has the relations of Russia and Armenia in such difficult situation?


- Deepening of the Russian-Armenian relations is not a tribute to fashion, it actually equitable to deep interests of our states. The history brought us to that we live now in the different states, but not Armenia is guilty that the Soviet Union collapsed. Now we look for new model of integration and it is impossible to spoil here by no means! It is necessary to do everything very competently! It is necessary to go to integration, modelling all possible situations. It means, it is necessary together impartially to count and move forward.

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Author: Vladimir Kuzmenkin

Publication date : 03 June 2013 23:20

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