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Conversation of the proud feudal lord with state capitalist. Ukraine and Russia are within global civilization processes.


About the differences in models of Ukrainian and Russian state structures, about the problem of civilization proposition absence between our countries for the “World and we” internet-portal, the famous political scientist Dmitry Ignatyevich Vydrin, advisor of Ukrainian president tells.

- How do you evaluate the current status of the Russian-Ukrainian relations? Which general problems of their development can you name?

The initial stage of the euphoria, which had appeared in the beginning of governing period of President Yanukovich, was related to the overestimation of the subjective factor. Everybody thought that if the people, who played tennis together, frequently meet each other; together relax come to the power, then what the problems there can be? It is possible to sit together, come to the terms, and tell the difficult questions. It seems that the situation is far deeper, far complex, and after every benevolent, subjective meetings and chats the pitfalls appear, which aren’t acknowledged yet, or acknowledged partly. That’s why people, who are responsible for Russian-Ukrainian relations, still believe that their low performance it is the mistake of their partners. The Ukrainians believe that it’s the Russians fault and Russians that it is the fault of the Ukrainian partners. As a matter of fact it is just the undervaluation of the objective difficulties, objective collisions, large tectonic, “underground”, mental problems, which are in the basis of all these relations. And, for example, the conflict of business-interests it is the demonstration of underlying processes. It can be compared to a shadow play – the shadows shake out absolutely different things than it can be presented now and then. What we see in the form of the conflicts upon privatization of “Ukrtelecom”, “Zaporozhstal’”, “Priportovy Odessa zavod” they are the shadows of underlying problems.

- What are those fundamental problems?

The first problem is the one of the social-psychological character. And it was laid back by Kuchma. When Kuchma had written the book, or, rather signed on the “Ukraine – isn’t Russia” book he had given the grounding of the social-psychological model of Ukraine positioning in relation to Russia. In the basis of self-identification of Ukraine is the model of “otherness” to Russia. What is Ukraine according to Kuchma? First of all, Ukraine is the territory distinct to Russia. It is the country, where people talk in a different language, where think differently, as Ukrainians, not as Russians, and where business-elites live under different rules. And accordingly, this model had brought to social-psychological stratification, fragmentation of once unitary social-psychological field, which was based on common history, on common cultural trends, thinking stereotypes and even the common structure of humor and irony, on common literature rules, on common religion, which for most Ukrainians and Russians is sole one. This “otherness”, which was laid in state strategy, wasn’t looking for common senses everywhere, but for differences, contradictions, widening the crack. It’s easier to widen cracks through the hate, because the concept was directed to crack wedging, then every crack was pumped in with hate. And it became the state policy of Ukraine in relation to Russia for the purpose to realize fully the “otherness” concept. That’s why at the time of the president Kuchma, the concept of Ukrainian hatred towards Russia was laid as the basis constructor of Ukrainian self-identification and for moderating of Ukrainian-Russian relations. It is the social-psychological aspect.

The second problem is the economic aspect. This is the difference between models with the help of which Ukraine and Russia are built. In Russia the base model the state capitalism had become. And the business is built along the power fields of state capitalism. And in Ukraine the base model at the moment is modern feudalism. What proud feudal lord must say to state capitalist? It is nothing to say. They are different as a matter of fact. Of course there are some exceptions of Don Kikhot and Sancho Pansa type, which nobody understand what unites them, but it is not our case. That’s why the differences of models themselves disable the creation of more or less stable business-associations. When Russian speak about any holding, for example, in aviation field, they mean the holding, which was built according to capitalism model, and when ours speak about holding it must be under feudal model. According to Russian viewpoint the dominating control of government is through capitalism management levelers, and according to our viewpoint should be the model of clan, family management or other feudal-like establishment one. That’s why the significant contradictions are also present in the economy.

But the most important thing that there is no single, exceptional item, artifact or instrument with the help of which the global relations are built. This civilized proposition is each other. For example, there is the civilized proposition of Europe to Ukraine; it is brightly modulated, expressed, though not always can be fair. They are notorious European values; human rights etc. and they are glamorous but nevertheless possessing conspicuity in lifestyles of Europeans. Because the democracy has to be estimated not per slogans but per the life of a simple men, because any policy is dissolved in the existence and precipitates in everyday life. That’s why in dry residue one can determine, what’s real and what’s not. And the dry residue in Europe is such that it is still more pleasantly to drink coffee in Paris than drink potable spirit somewhere at distant, unconquerable spaces of our biggest brother and neighbor. In other words there is the civilized proposition on the side of Europe. As a matter of fact there is no the civilized proposition of Ukraine to Europe. That’s why the skidding takes place. But there is something on the other hand. And many people accepted this civilized proposition and think that they are euro-centrists. Because by visiting Europe they would like to live in the same way, see the same model of private life, same as Europeans live today, per degree of protection, degree of prosperity, civil self-realization. But we don’t have anything similar between Ukraine and Russia. There is no any civilized proposition of these countries to each other – not from any side.

-Supposedly, this situation appears because both Ukraine and Russia use foreign civilized strategies, superimposed development concepts, which were conceived as prevailing after the USSR disassociation?

One must adopt especially the best practices. But there is no need in removing own. Japanese, for example, weren’t invented something special, but they improved all the inventions of western type and made them as the base elements of their economy. That’s why it is necessary to take something, improve with taking into account cold north wind and long winter. But something must be created own, based on own roots, including all orthodoxy and sole spirit of conqueror’s space. Because Russians and Ukrainians with all their present separateness with the help of the politics, in equal measure are conquerors of the spaces and they together conquest Siberia and up to date – I was as a builder at BAM, walked along all Baykal-Amur magistral – in the deepest villages of BAM the Ukraine accent is heard. That’s why, for example, as a civilized proposition of joint reclaiming and development of cultural, economic, social, religious could be, of that big part of land, which were given to our people as a history heritage. It could become as basis for mutually profitable proposition for joint development of our countries.

- In both, Russia and Ukraine there was announcement regarding the modernization and reforming. How successful announced programs of reorganizations can be in your opinion? Is it possible that modernization and reforming will become new base for the development of the cooperation between our countries?

Technically it is very complicated, because I shall repeat that we have two different social and economic models that are difficult integrated, although they are integrated on the level of private interests, private companies. But that requires the understanding of both parties, what are the innovations, what innovations are needed for, what are the reforms needed for. Neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians don’t understand that. Our main reformer Tigipko does not understand what do reforms stands for, as well as the main Russian modernizer Dmitry Medvedev, does not understand what modernization is. Because, in my opinion they don’t understand that main product of any manufacturing isn’t product but the human. The main product of metallurgical plant isn’t metal, but the quality of the employees that make this metal, labor organization system, of stimulus and motivation of working people. This is for the matter of fact something that forgotten Marxian understood, and something that none of today’s politicians understand.

I like to give such example. My parents had had a summer cottage for many years in a little, beautiful city Boyarky, that became world-known thanks to its literary-poetic traditions. This is where Nadson worked; he wrote outstanding cycle of his poems, this is where Pavka Korchagin made narrow-railway. By that day there is a half-dead museum dedicated to that subject, to whom the Russian side could help, but it does not. There were self-made theaters, ensembles, poetic groups, writing clubs and sentience was rapidly developing. City administration turn to me with the question – is it possible to get sentience back to the city? I said, no. How come, no? We have the money, we will try. I say to them - it is impossible, because 20 years ago in Boyarka was the factory, where 2000 people in whites were working, they were making satellite systems. As for today, at that place the fish manufactory is located, where 200 people in grey robs scale fish tripe. Well, then those two thousands of people in whites, after 8 hours of making satellites, needed art song next to the bonfire, and the memories of Nadson ex-mistress, and literature studio named after Ostrvosky, they all needed that. And those people that came out after the fish tribe scaling, they only need vodka of good quality, good fish that they already scaled and packed, or maybe, which is stolen or purchased with a discount from their enterprise. This is what they need. They don’t need poetry. Because these, who work with fish are not the same as those who manufacture satellites.

I visited the factory in Germany that manufactures satellites – there are Opera Theater, yacht club and golf club for the employees there. I have asked the factory owners, why do you need such expenditures? They said that if the workers do not sing in Opera Theater, they will not make satellites. This relatively obvious for them – to make something good you have to roll in your head arias from the famous opera and play golf. So, at the bottom of modernization in Russia and at the bottom of reforming in Ukraine must be the creation of production that produces high quality stuff. But Tigipko wants to produce high quality pipes, Medvedev wants to produce membranous systems on molecular level. But, both Tigipko and Medvedev will have no success.
Because, if they do not think about the quality of the employee that will do it for them then this employee won’t make both good pipes and good membrane. Their modernizations and reforms do not apply on the estimation of human nature and motivation. That is the problem.

Why does Japan for example behave so rousingly virile during the global, fantastic by its dimensions catastrophe? Because, they lay into the basis of the Japanese modernization more of employee modernization, than product modernization. When the Japanese in the 60s faced the problem related to the need of growth of quality and performance, they understood that material stimulations have exhausted. When you raise the salary to your employee, he no longer starts to work better. And the modernization program was established, where they started to search, invent, find new types of employees stimulation. This is when the famous quality workshops were made, where the employees were gathering and under the supervision of experienced engineers, they were involved into the intellectual processes, they felt no longer as ordinary employees that all they do is bolt screwing, they felt as if they were as part of engineering process. The new forms of moral incentives come into existence. For example, good employees were sent to the holidays together with owners of their company. And they were relaxing together somewhere at the exotic resorts of Honolulu, lived the same life style with their company owners. That was tribute of respect that was shown by the owner against the employee for the work he done. It was time, when the forms of appreciation arise as the wall of fame. Almost everything that was made in the communist system was, in the good view of the word, stolen by the Japanese and brought to perfection. Since Japanese wall of fame was different from the national one, as transistor boom box at the 70s from the soviet receiver. The Most of Japanese employees could have beautiful mistresses, just because their photos were on the wall of fame. As we can see it is a new quality approach. Just like yacht-club and opera house in the factory in Germany – Is not that stimulating? The employees understand that if the owners of the factory treat them in that way, then they should work in the same way. Totally different base for the working activity shows up. But here nobody does even think about it. Can you image yourself, that employee of Nikopol south pipe factory would spend his holiday together with Victor Pinchuk and Elena Kravchuk somewhere in their manor at the Sardinia or at Corsica?..

- But at the West not always and everywhere such approach of manufacturing organizations does process exist? Can be that absence of the searching for principally new development directions, the attention only to the economic priorities of general problem for western civilizations, with which also our countries that adopt this model face?

This is one big separate topic that will take us to the crisis of western and eastern civilization model. I have said it in my publications a lot of times already, that if we will analyze the civilization development of the past 30-40 years, we will see that, both western and soviet-post-soviet models for that time had not created anything new. The last time the Moon was visited in 1972-1973. Some time ago from Moscow to Tashkent it took 2 hours to fly with Ty-144, from Paris to New-York in 4 hours with Concord. Today they fly three times slower. All the inventions, that we use now, were invented decades ago. Internet is invention of American army 40 years ago, mobile phones invention of both, Soviet and American one 35 years ago, computer is invention 70s. There was nothing developed for the past 30-40 years, might be because, both, the West and the Post-Soviet space came to the dead-end from the human development point of view.

By the 70s the individualism resource has already developed on the West, there was nothing left that could encourage the west man. The same “car” that boss has. The “sexy girl” like from the advertisement page of Vogue journal, the food same as at the advertisement of the best supermarkets. Everything became reachable. Travels, exoticism, resorts. And that was the peak in the 70s, when the western individuality-man understood that by his individual labor he has reached his limit. And the same peak in the 70s hit USSR. Everything that could be reached with collectivity was achieved. The delight from the collectivity work, the joy of joint labor organization, the joint life with all of the expenses, high synergy, huge passion of combined souls. It was the collectivism extremely, starting from the pioneer outposts and ending with Baikal-Amur Mainline. All it was also exhausted. Both, the West and Post-soviet space didn’t create any new stimulus, development systems.

Tell the truth, they unexpectedly turned the table around! The post-soviet space rushed into the individualism that appeared to be as the exhausted subject on the West and in this connection Highdegger said, that the West had exhausted the system of the individualism. And the West tried to use the humanism and socialism subject. Though, it is abortive option – the poles have changed, but not their quality. That is why the main thing that can occur today won’t occur in New-York or Moscow. They come out of the poles that produce new stimulus for the human development. Shanghai, Bangkok, Singapore become such poles, maybe Japan that after this disaster will face the need of looking for new stimulations, because the old ones of mid-class stimulus won’t arise Japan. They will have to look for new breakthrough ways, and maybe, Japan will create new stimuli and paths for the civilization development. I will name this project if it is successful – “Fukushima -3”. Marx has got mysterious definition, that he mentioned a lot of times, but never provided interpretation for it. He was writing that there are capitalistic, socialistic and Asian manufacturing methods. The first two were described more than detailed by him, but he didn’t explain anything about the Asian at all. It is possible that today this manufacturing method will gather momentum.

Therefore the most important priority for both Russia and Ukraine is the formation of timely civilized proposition for each other, and the long-term development strategy, based on it. And the creation of new stimuli and manufacturing systems, where the quality of humans that carrying out the manufacturing and administrative processes will be in the center. This is exactly the path that meets the requirements of the present-day world, will allow to effect the cooperation between our countries at principally new level.

 

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Author: Михаил Михайлов

Publication date : 12 May 2011 13:16

Source: The world and we

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