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The People's Deputy of Ukraine, the vice-chairman of fraction of the Party of Regions in the Verkhovna Rada Vladimir Aleksandrovich Zubanov tells about a pre-election situation in Ukraine in interview to the Internet portal “The world and we”.

- How can you comment on the dynamics of ratings which is observed for the last half a year? Opposition ratings consistently decrease and the ratings of the Party of Regions grow – what is the reason of such changes?

I happen to be in different regions of the country and noticed one tendency as the opposition works. They have no party structures in places, the disorientation is full, nobody to go to people and to tell about the program and positions in general. And how they find a way out? They lift on banners any critical slogans in relation to the power which offend an ear of voters, and want to pass in parliament only on criticism, naturally, offering nothing. Therefore people gradually understand this situation. Understand also because the Party of Regions purposefully conducts the work with voters, we just have such structures and we work with one team. Party members, majorization members whom we nominate, deputies from party go on regions and meet with people.

We tell what is made for these two years, what concrete results are reached, what we will do further to presidential election. Therefore there is a sharp difference between the absence of structures, irresponsibility of opposition and our purposeful work. Our people really go on houses, tell what is made, we act on the positive. We report to people, let for a short time, but the school, hospital are repaired, the road is made, lighting, still something. And people see all this.

Therefore such program activity, permanent job with people leads to that the Party of Regions increases the rating. And the opposition as can offer nothing except criticism loses popularity. Besides their rating falls consequently that Klitschko, Tyahnybok, Korolevska, Yushchenko work at their field. They again chose the line of least resistance – concentrated that work which can lead, only in Kiev, the central regions and in the Western Ukraine. They don’t care about the South and the East simply because they won’t receive support there.

Naturally, all forces on the oppositional field water throw mud at each other as they are the competitors. The people don’t like it too, because of that the ratings flow between these parties and in results the situation for the United Opposition looks so pitiable.

And onу more thing, of course, in comparison with Tymoshenko, Yatsenyuk is very weak leader. And not because he gives reason worse or charisma is not so. Tymoshenko worked creatively, made decisions and forced these decisions to carry out. She has the talent. Yatsenyuk, of course, can't replace Tymoshenko today as he loses in creativity, organizing abilities, can't discipline the party ranks because the authority doesn't suffice. All these factors conduct to that Yatsenyuk's opposition can appear on the third place on these elections.

- How do you estimate the chances of passing of All-Ukrainian Union “Svoboda” to the Verkhovna Rada and how do you treat possibility of presence of so radical political force at the supreme legislative body?

Tyahnybok already was a deputy once and didn’t distinguish himself. Any radicalism suffices exactly for a month of work of the Verkhovna Rada and the routine then begins, it is necessary to offer something real. The understanding also comes that even if you will pass, you will have only 17-18 deputies and they practically can't solve something there. And from all this any radicalism calms down. Experience of Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk or Lviv is characteristic when they received quite large number of voices on local regional elections, but then all their fuse, rhetoric came to naught because it was necessary to work simply. But they aren't adapted for work, but adapted only for different slogans, any radical actions.

And it is necessary to work day by day in the Verkhovna Rada, to discuss the laws and amendments and only sometimes three minutes are given according to regulations to make statements from fraction. Here also it turns out, such six minutes amassed for a week and that is two times a month when there are plenary sessions and therefore their fuse will disappear very quickly and the parliamentary routine will absorb this force. And people will be disappointed in them because it will be necessary to make the election pledges and they can't and won’t make it.

Any political force which doesn't create the party structures, acts on radicalism and criticism, waits such destiny. There was Natalia Vitrenko's example who came, flashed and then disappeared. The same with Kononov's Party of Greens – they quickly came, quickly left. Therefore only that party can remain which works systemically, has structures in places and really offers something. “Svoboda” has nothing except “Bandera is our hero!” and “We will take away and distribute everything!” And communists have the same, by the way, “Bandera is our hero!” and “We will take away and distribute everything!” Only one is on the right and other is on the left in the political range.

But it is not enough today to hold the political positions in the state. Therefore I quietly treat Tyahnybok – he already was in parliament, showed nothing and now there will be the same. People will be disappointed in his political force and he won't receive so many voices any more on the following parliamentary elections.

- Is the coalition possible of the Party of Regions with Udar party of Vitaly Klitschko?

It depends how Klitschko will behave. The second number of his party list is the writer Maria Matios who in the novel “The pulled-out pages from the autobiography” is very insulting responded about the victims in the Great Patriotic War, about those people who passed through this horror, about all who shed blood and passed through these sufferings. Respectively, she insulting responded both about children and about grandsons of these heroic people – offended all. And if Klitschko leaves her in the list, instead of that will ask not to be the deputy under any pretext, I think, Matios will create problems to him in maneuvering and work with the Party of Regions. Because people can't forgive such things – such insulting relation to lives, blood, people, fellow tribesmen as it afforded the second number of his list Matios. Therefore I assume that in the presence of writer Matios Klitschko can't cooperate with the Party of Regions.

- What is the reason of sharp statements of the system pressure from the West on the present Ukrainian power which especially amplified before elections? Is it only because of Tymoshenko's case or there are more serious factors?

There are some factors. There are some politicians of a certain sense who express the opinion, but they have nothing general with the opinion of the country as a whole. There is a lot of such senators, congressmen, European deputies. It is necessary to treat it quietly – each of them has party, mercantile interests. Therefore how many deputies, so many opinions, political interests.
Any country which treats the policy systematically, for example, the USA, is very favourable that our oppositionists go there and are cried on shoulder. The Americans collect the facts about every possible violation in the different countries on a system basis that there was a possibility to hold the power of any country on a hook. But it doesn't mean that the Americans undertake any negative actions concerning the power in Ukraine or Ukraine as the state. Simply there is a process, the positive and negative facts are gathered. And nobody knows how it will work in the future, probably, even in a pole of the today's power. The Americans will speak: yes, there are violations, but we understand your position, you are the young democracy. Here the conversation will turn out in a positive. Therefore that the opposition does in a minus of the present power as it thinks, throw the mud at the existing power, can appear the plus for Ukraine.

- But thus, the western countries use this situation as a factor of influence on Ukraine and the Ukrainian management in their interests?

It would be strange, if the country which position itself as the global power, wishing to influence the processes, wasn't engaged in collecting of such information. But the collection of information doesn't mean that it is bad, it somehow can leave to our country, any “side”, including in the form of new, positive arrangements.

- That is, in your opinion, the opinion of many observers that the European Union and the USA carry out the system pressure press of Ukraine is not absolutely true point of view?


What is the sense to press us in general? And what is the sense to the Russians to press us, to weaken our economy and then to involve in the Customs Union with weak economy? That to feed us, put billions for recovery of the destroyed economy? I don't see logic in it too.

But many can't get used to that fact that the USSR already isn't present and there are some independent states in its place. Both the Americans and Europeans, probably, didn't get used to that fact that there are any countries which have the opinion, vision, development. All got used to be guided by Moscow, its opinion. And Moscow itself didn't get used that there is an independent state with the positions.
Therefore, I think that the time will pass and history put everything on the places. But I don't see any logic to weaken Ukraine, wishing to cooperate with it. On the contrary, it is desirable to cooperate with the powerful country to add the potential from this cooperation.

- What are your forecasts concerning the results of upcoming elections? How the votes will be distributed in your opinion?

I think that according to the party lists the Party of Regions should get about 33 %, it is somewhere 90 deputies and 150 more deputies according to majority districts. Thus, there will be about 240 people in fraction – the independent majority.

On the second place, I think, there will be Klitschko – 18 %, on the third – Yatsenyuk about 17 %, then communists 8-9 %. Tyahnybok won't hold on to access barrier – he will have 4,7-4,8 %. Korolevska will receive about 3 %. We see how it will be, but I predict such result.

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Author: Mikhail Mikhaylov

Publication date : 25 October 2012 20:21

Source: The world and we

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