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The Cossacks should become the basis for integration of the Slavic states.

The Army Ataman of the Slobozhansky Cossack Army, the academician of the International Academy of the Cossacks, the Colonel General of the Cossacks Victor Ilyich Bely answers the questions of Internet portal “The world and we”.

- What role is played by the Cossacks in the present political life, what the main values and ideas are introduced in state life?

The Cossacks were primary the democratic. Together with the main task, the protection of the Fatherland, the Cossacks formed the device on primordial Slavic roots, as the democracy, sovereignty of the people were one of genetic features of the Slavic culture and history.

That bourgeois democracy, which now is preached, is similar to that was at the Cossacks only on some signs. Such problems as closeness, isolation of the power, formation of top tycoons were never inherent in the Cossacks. They are the result of society where the personal priority to the detriment of public predominates is a basis of ideology of capitalism in its worst manifestation. The Cossacks, for example, had no problems with the recall of the deputy who has not justified the hopes – sometimes the head was taken down on a circle.

The Cossacks always were the state formative ethnos. The Cossacks are the ethnos according to all signs as it was defined at the last congress of the International Academy of the Cossacks. The Cossack power had six signs of statehood from seven –the Cossacks didn't issue the money only. The political foundations of military democracy were completely incarnate in the Cossack power. And it is in the time when Columbus only opened America. We made two steps forward historically among the revelry of monarchy– already there was a democracy.

- You have told that the main orientation of present political system is the achievement of personal interests. Were the group interests always basic for the Cossacks?

Yes, it was the basic. Of course, there were single Cossacks who had the sabre, the horse, Sech and nothing more. But for settled Cossacks the interests of all community, certainly, were the main. The Slobozhansky Cossacks are initially those. The settled life is the enemy of extremism. Therefore the communal device always was a component of political aspirations of the Cossacks. The monarchic ideals are added to it, as one of the lines of the Slavic, Slobozhansky attitude. The monarchism manifestation at Cossacks is hetmanat. We need the tsar and it is desirable the kind tsar.

Now these principles aren't always observed. Not so long ago there was a resolution on creation of Coordination council on the Cossacks at the Cabinet of Ministers. I acted as the opponent in this question and said that the Cossacks are the democracy, it is Radas, Councils. Therefore, it is necessary to create such council at the Verkhovna Rada instead of the Cabinet of Ministers and the more not at the clerk President and his administration. The logic speaks about it.

- Can the Cossacks to become new political force which will make the considerable impact in that look in which it exists?

The Cossacks are quite isolated and accurately designated as ethnos, the estate, social group, own attitude and traditions are inherent to them. We do not forget that the Cossacks are the troops of Christ, therefore many things of the moral, ethical, political plan are perceived through Orthodoxy prism, the church doctrine. The precepts are not empty phrases for the Cossack. And when we see that one steals from million people and makes a fortune for himself, of course, it isn't coordinated with precepts in any way. Therefore the Cossacks, having the view of world around, of the events in it, are if not open opposition, but at least, society of different views. And if the power is one pole, the opposition is other pole, so we, naturally, are the third force. It is that third force which now can and even should, being an elite part of society, to lead the people. The Cossacks should be if not a match, but a crystal round which the live and fair world will increase. Here I hope on and here what historical role the Cossacks can play in this case.

Let's concern the statistics. Now there are 2 million 300 thousand of ethnic Cossacks in Ukraine. Only 300 thousand from them are included in the register of any organization. And 2 million “walk” somewhere. If we consider that the number of electorate in Ukraine is about 25 million people, then 10 % of electorate is the Cossacks. Now, if to speak about the Supreme Council, so 45 deputies can be Cossack from 450. It is without speaking about local councils where the Cossacks can prevail in general. And this idea develops through the International Academy of the Cossacks, develops through Cossack settlements, bulks which exist as self-government institutions of the Cossacks at first in parallel with usual councils of all levels and their further merge to the power through elections is possible. Therefore the Cossacks can fulfill potential as the third force by two ways – or with the help of barricades that extremely is not desirable, or by a lawful way, going to the power, councils, public organizations which get the increasing weight in Ukraine.

- Do the Cossacks have own party?

Yes, such party is already created, the Cossack Ukrainian party. The leader of the party is Mikhail Ivanovich Yamnenko. The task of our party is transferring of principles of the Cossack democracy, true sovereignty of the people on the state level. But the laborious task is necessary for this purpose, it is a long way. And we do everything in order that the Cossacks became at first appreciable, then influential and then the dominating social force. Then the organization of a state policy by the Cossacks principles can be realized completely. It will be sooner or later. Now the successes are small while - we got 1,6 % of voices on last elections, but it is without any essential propaganda, pre-election company.

One of the main tasks at present is to gather those 2 million of the Cossacks who aren't registered. The initiative of the National Rada of the Cossacks is directed on creation of the uniform State register of the Cossacks across all Ukraine. You can not be in any hundred, kuren, regiment, but if you are the patrimonial Cossack, you can be registered.

- Can not hereditary Cossacks enter this organization?

The provision on estate says that the Cossacks can be patrimonial and noted. The child of the noted Cossack will be already patrimonial Cossack. Many Cossacks are patrimonial, but there are no official confirmations of our roots because the Cossacks, since 1775, were oppressed and destroyed as a class. And as a result, many have no documentary confirmations. There is only a genetic memory, something prompts to us that we are the Cossacks. We are pulling to study the history, to consider ourselves as someone, to execute any mission or selfless function. It is that genetic code which is put in us. But if the person doesn't feel that in himself, but wishes to be on an edge of processes, not to be aside, so he can enter the Cossacks too. The diploma, the certificate and the universalist are given to the Cossack, the document which testifies that he is involved to the Cossacks, in which the concrete division and a rank of the Cossack is specified. So gradually we collect more and more Cossacks and we start to leave on new political level.

At the beginning of the next year the next congress not simply of the Cossack party, but the Cossack people is planned. All people in Ukraine have own communities, organizations. Certainly, the Cossack people should have the same. Therefore it is very important now to find the ways of realization of potential of the Cossacks in public and political spheres.
It should be noted that the Cossacks are completely on self-sufficiency. Everyone sews a form for himself. All organizational efforts become covered at the expense of our contributions. We aren't fed by someone from abroad, nobody orders us the music inside and outside of Ukraine. Nobody pays to us and we must have to nobody. If there is a payment, there are also requirements and it is already not freedom.

- How many Cossack organizations in Ukraine now?

There are 54 completely issued, appreciable organizations in Ukraine now. The situation becomes complicated that in Ukraine there is no law on the Cossacks, there is only a decree of the president, as opposed to Russia, for example, where two such laws are accepted. There would be a possibility to create the unified Cossack organization in the presence of the law in Ukraine.
Historically we remember that there were three branches of the Cossacks: register Hetmanshchina, Zaporozhye volnitsa and Slobodsky regiments. These three branches are necessary for developing and uniting. But there is a division in these directions at present. So, there are four organizations of the Zaporozhye Cossacks. And such subdivision is everywhere now: there are “Spas”, “Hopak”, “True”, “Spravzhny” and many other organizations.

Therefore we have created the Slobozhansky Cossack Army (SCA) in due time. Many persons carry themselves to the Slobozhansky Cossacks and without being the member of Slobozhansky Cossack Army, but always have possibility to enter our ranks. We began from one hundred, then was kuren (battalion), then a regiment, then the district. And now we go to an army. Now we are in a stage of registration of the all-Ukraine organization and then we plan to make the organization as international.

- Do the Ukrainian Cossack organizations cooperate with the Russian Cossacks?

Yes, very actively. There are some contracts of interarmy level. The all-great Don army has the contract with “Spilka of Cossack Revival”, with “Union of the Cossack Organizations of Ukraine”. We have the contracts of regional level with the Belgorod, Kursk, Voronezh Cossacks. There are many contacts.

- What is the relation of the Ukrainian Cossack organizations to prospects of integration of Ukraine and Russia?

Here the saying “so many men, so many minds” is justified. There are the Cossacks who unequivocally say – we are all the troops of Christ, we are all the Slavs and, at last, we are all the Cossacks. It is the most reliable base to be a whole, unified in through understanding. The Cossack is the Cossack in Africa too. There are such men who say: we have ethno-national distinctions, therefore those Cossacks are the Cossacks to themselves and we are the Cossacks to ourselves though we are on friendly terms. Also there are absolutely not accepting, not tolerant Cossacks, they prevail generally in “Ukrainian kozatstvo” and have the following approach: “What the Cossack he is, he is the Moskal for us!” There are various approaches, but the moderate approach directed on cooperation prevails.

There are contradictions between the Cossack organizations in Ukraine. So it was during the installation of a monument to Catherine II. She has crushed Sech for the Zaporozhye Cossacks and was “matinka” for Slobozhansky Cossacks, Grigory Nechesa put as Hetman.

- Thus, the Slobozhansky Cossacks can be the integrating force in the Russian-Ukrainian relations?

Up to the creation and revival of the Union of the Slavic people. The artificially divided Russia, Ukraine, Belarus should unite again. As the people who are historically gravitating to each other, will inevitably come to reunion. And the Cossacks should play the leading role in this movement. The ideals and Cossacks principles as justice, truly national democracy, protection of the Fatherland, the administrative device with the present accountability and publicity allow to collect, coordinate together all advanced forces aspiring to unity of the Slavic people. The creation of such powerful unifying basis, such national idea is one of the main tasks of the Cossack movement.

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Author: Михаил Михайлов

Publication date : 05 April 2012 01:00

Source: The world and we

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